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Message 21626 - Posted: 21 Nov 2016, 10:53:06 UTC

Following the Theory simulations added 1 week ago, we have now also deployed the CMS and LHCb applications from the T4T/vLHCathome project on the consolidated, original LHC@home.

Registration of new accounts on the Virtual LHC@home project is therefore closed from now on.

We would like to warmly thank you all for your contributions, and to ask you to continue crunching the VM applications on the LHC@home project!

If you have not already registered there in the past, please connect to:
https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome

We will keep this old site up for as long as needed. You may detach from the old project at your leasure, and attach to LHC@home instead.

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Message 21631 - Posted: 21 Nov 2016, 14:53:25 UTC

The "Max # jobs" setting on the new site only goes up to 8 :(

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Message 21632 - Posted: 21 Nov 2016, 15:17:32 UTC
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Is this old project going to continue to generate new work? Even if it does not, I am OK with staying connected to it to help clean up the remaining tasks that are still waiting to be distributed.

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Message 21635 - Posted: 21 Nov 2016, 18:51:08 UTC

Running 7.6.22 BOINC client for Windows (I mean it supports SSL starting from 7.2.x) I got "Project communication failed" for httpS://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/, but http://... is ok.
And on behalf of all volunteers, please persuade the BOINC team and the account managers teams to include the correct project URL for your project. For example, GridRepublic still has a wrong (old one) URL for SixTrack (although one in their description is correct).

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Message 21636 - Posted: 21 Nov 2016, 19:12:33 UTC
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McPlots returned by hosts on the consolidated site still appear in the Unknown User list and clicking through the host number comes back to this site as a "No such computer".
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1 of my hosts is 508 under user -196 on the -dev site, 82628 under user 3883 here but for the consolidated LHC site tasks done appear under host 10364464 but McPlots are allocated to that host number but not (yet?) to user 3855.
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Will the -dev site still be kept separate, as at present, for testing of new apps prior to release into the wild?
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Will Boinc credits earned here be added to LHC credits or will they remain separate when this Project drops into the Retired Projects list?
At CPDN, pre-Boinc "Classic" credits were added into the total and are noted for posterity, Beta test credits were added and are noted, BBC credits were not added but are noted, and Seasonal credits only appear in retired projects. Various approaches within that one project.

I would prefer them to be noted somewhere on the user's account page, whether or not they are added to the total.

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Message 21637 - Posted: 21 Nov 2016, 20:11:10 UTC

Can I move without detaching/reattaching? It seems like my host are already all there?

+1 for Charles req, can you make no limit work so I can use appconfig. My 40 core machine can run 40 sixtrack tasks.

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Message 21638 - Posted: 21 Nov 2016, 21:44:20 UTC - in response to Message 21631.

The "Max # jobs" setting on the new site only goes up to 8 :(


It now goes up to 24.

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Message 21639 - Posted: 21 Nov 2016, 21:48:52 UTC - in response to Message 21632.

Is this old project going to continue to generate new work? Even if it does not, I am OK with staying connected to it to help clean up the remaining tasks that are still waiting to be distributed.


This project will keep creating working until the majority of users have moved to the new server.

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Message 21640 - Posted: 21 Nov 2016, 22:03:51 UTC - in response to Message 21636.

McPlots returned by hosts on the consolidated site still appear in the Unknown User list and clicking through the host number comes back to this site as a "No such computer".
eg.
1 of my hosts is 508 under user -196 on the -dev site, 82628 under user 3883 here but for the consolidated LHC site tasks done appear under host 10364464 but McPlots are allocated to that host number but not (yet?) to user 3855.


Yes, MCPlots needs updating to handle the new project.

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Will the -dev site still be kept separate, as at present, for testing of new apps prior to release into the wild?


Yes. The dev site will stay but may become less fun as we reach a steady state. It will remain as the playground to try out new things e.g. multicore, docker, new VM wrappers etc.

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Will Boinc credits earned here be added to LHC credits or will they remain separate when this Project drops into the Retired Projects list?
At CPDN, pre-Boinc "Classic" credits were added into the total and are noted for posterity, Beta test credits were added and are noted, BBC credits were not added but are noted, and Seasonal credits only appear in retired projects. Various approaches within that one project.

I would prefer them to be noted somewhere on the user's account page, whether or not they are added to the total.


Our initial working assumption is that we would attempt to migrate the credit to the new project by copying the entries in the results table (with associated entries). However, we can be guided by the community on this. Suggestions are welcome. What are people preferences?

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Message 21641 - Posted: 21 Nov 2016, 22:11:04 UTC - in response to Message 21637.

Can I move without detaching/reattaching? It seems like my host are already all there?


I don't think so as the authentication keys are different. It could be possible to force a move for those not already registered by automatically registering them with the same info from this project and then doing a HTTP redirect. However we would prefer that everyone makes conscious decision.


+1 for Charles req, can you make no limit work so I can use appconfig. My 40 core machine can run 40 sixtrack tasks.


See how you go with 24. The No Limit option doesn't work and we still need to look into it.

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Message 21642 - Posted: 22 Nov 2016, 1:06:04 UTC

I registered here https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome

but it is not clear, working or not working.

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Message 21643 - Posted: 22 Nov 2016, 7:27:01 UTC - in response to Message 21635.

Running 7.6.22 BOINC client for Windows (I mean it supports SSL starting from 7.2.x) I got "Project communication failed" for httpS://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/, but http://... is ok.


Strange, with the same client version on my Linux PC, it works fine. Any other feedback on this?

And on behalf of all volunteers, please persuade the BOINC team and the account managers teams to include the correct project URL for your project. For example, GridRepublic still has a wrong (old one) URL for SixTrack (although one in their description is correct).


The BOINC team updated the URL back to the original http://lhcathome.cern.ch upon our request some time ago. When contacted by a BOINC client, this URL rewrites to the https site to get the correct setup. This has also been tested.

Thanks for your reminder on account managers, we contacted GridRepublic yesterday, but still need to contact BAM.
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Message 21644 - Posted: 22 Nov 2016, 12:14:01 UTC - in response to Message 21626.

This does generate confusion, if as I have done, you have deployed projects based on whether they require VirtualBox or not, i.e.

I have deployed LHC@home in VMs and on 'bare metal' where no VirtualBox is available.

I have deployed vLHCathome on machines where VirtualBox is available.

Hence I have been receiving messages for the past week stating 'No VirtualBox installed' from LHC@home.

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Message 21645 - Posted: 22 Nov 2016, 15:55:21 UTC

How to find job processing process goes or not?

someone tell me?

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Message 21646 - Posted: 22 Nov 2016, 17:56:54 UTC - in response to Message 21645.
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If you have installed the Extension package you can open the VM Console and see what happens.
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Message 21647 - Posted: 22 Nov 2016, 21:57:18 UTC - in response to Message 21644.

This does generate confusion, if as I have done, you have deployed projects based on whether they require VirtualBox or not, i.e.

I have deployed LHC@home in VMs and on 'bare metal' where no VirtualBox is available.

I have deployed vLHCathome on machines where VirtualBox is available.

Hence I have been receiving messages for the past week stating 'No VirtualBox installed' from LHC@home.


On the positive side it seems to be working correctly. If you have enabled apps that need VirtualBox in your preferences but on some machines you don't have it, it is correct that you get error messages. Hopefully, after printing the message it will just get another Sixtrack task. Please could you confirm whether or not this is the case?

For your situation you can define preferences by 'venue'. Rather than work or school, create a venue 'bare metal' and only enable the Sixtrack app. Please let us know if this works for you.

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Message 21648 - Posted: 22 Nov 2016, 22:02:59 UTC - in response to Message 21645.

The first place to look is the task list for your machine. It looks like these tasks are stale so this suggests something is not correct. Even if there are problems with the task, we should at least see that you retrieved a recent task.

If you are not getting a task it suggests that either hardware acceleration is not enabled or VirtualBox is not installed correctly. The following post may be helpful.

http://atlasathome.cern.ch/forum_thread.php?id=581&postid=5350#5350

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Message 21649 - Posted: 23 Nov 2016, 6:57:11 UTC
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All migrated with no issues on my 10 computers

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Message 21658 - Posted: 25 Nov 2016, 15:30:15 UTC

Successfully attached to LHC@home on both my machines. Still have two vLHC@home tasks to complete but have set that project to not request more tasks.

Regarding the credit question, my preference would be to have vLHC credit added to the new LHC@home project since it appears you have the ability to do so. I've just recently completed 14,000,000 total credits and would hate to lose anything. 111,000 credits isn't much to some folks out there but it's a lot to me.

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Message 21689 - Posted: 4 Dec 2016, 10:56:29 UTC - in response to Message 21647.

Where would you make such changes?

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